that -- that have you accused jack lew of lying to the senate? >> look, he came in and testified to represents the most colossal, fantastical financial misrepresentation, i think, in history. he said that debt, he told the american people square on, that we would not be adding to the debt, we would spend only the money that we have and begin to pay down the debt. that was utterly untrue. his budget did nothing like that. the lowest deficit in 10 years that he projected in his own numbers was $600 billion deficit and would have added $13 trillion to the debt. remember, this is after 2010 when the republican house was elected and hopefully, we were in a point to make some fundamental changes in spending in america and they came out with a budget that did just the opposite. and he told the american people what they wanted to hear. but it wasn't the truth. >> greta: all right. just to zero in, there is a big difference between being mistaken or i mean, having a different viewpoint and trying to be deceitful and a lie. that's very different. where does he fall in the spectrum, in your opinion? >> i
